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MG Midget and Sprite General - hey apple...welcome to the 19th century

Yeah....we used to call that cool new apple idea "A car battary"...poor steve... I hope his grave is sound proof

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/12/25/apple-hydrogen-battery-phone-computer-plan_n_1169336.html

Prop
Prop and the Blackhole Midget

Prop
Do you not understand what a hydrogen fuel cel is??
It is not a car battery!

It is a cell that converts hydrogen and oxigen in to electricity with H2O as the only by product.

The big problem is the lac of hydrogen filling stations.
Otherwise it is one of the best energy carryers imho
Onno K

Anyone with just a bit of chemistry knowledge can tell you that your best bang for the buck is still petrol based fuel.
I'd much rather see people going this direction for cars and trucks:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Transportation/1979-07-01/Electric-Car-Conversion.aspx
Rick Bastedo

Rick hydrogen is not an energy resource it is an energy transportation device.
It is the only possibility to have clean vehicles that fit the current use.
Because you can drive 500 miles with just H2O as exhaust and fill up and be on your way in 5 minutes.
We just need infrastructure and enough clean energy to make the hydrogen
Onno K

Apple is not using this as a fuel source

There making a battery out of the tech

I dont know about your batterys ...but mine mix with h20 and priduce hydrogen gas....just like applys new battrys

Prop
Prop and the Blackhole Midget

Prop
You realy have not gotten the point.
A fuel cel is a device that makes electricity.
And posibly has a far bigger capacity than a battery.
Read up before you bash
Onno K

You have hit the head squarely on!

Clean and inexpensive energy used to produce the hydrogen fueled car should mean all the way through the chain from raw materials through production of the vehicles that use the hydrogen, and of course production of the hydrogen itself and the entire supply chain involved.

Unless you want to do some fancy "new math", like substituting carbon credits for inefficiencies and then calling it more efficient. Hopefully everyone will wake up to that kind of doublespeak soon enough.
Rick Bastedo

Yes Rick it is only part of the solution.
But it is a step in the right direction and at least a better step than all those battery powerd vehicles
Onno K

Carbon credits are only an excuse for some clever trader to make money at the expense of the masses.

We've a hydrogen station near us, at Honda's Swindon factory. I think it's a good way to go, although what all the H2O will do to rising sea levels I don't know! Will rush hour in London create a tsunami down Oxford Street? Surfing round Picadilly Circus? Or without carbon fuels to raise the temperature will we have ice rinks in Islington?

Happy Boxing Day!
Max max-at-midgetmax-dot-com

Now IF we could carry out sufficient electrolysis in the car without using vast electrical energy (or else defeating the object) we would have hydrogen and the helper gas oxygen to fuel the car.
Much safer - no hydrogen storage (as flash steam - litle dangerous boiler storage).

And fill up on water !

Nothing changed since school days all those years ago !
And still no further forward.
R.
richard boobier

LOL Max !
Onno K

That can only improve Londons transport issues!
rachmacb

Is it an extra day off or a strike?
It is hard to tell nowadays
Onno K

So back to the orginal intent of this thread

What is your thoughts as to apple using a wet battery to power iphones and tablets....aka a car battery

Prop
Prop and the Blackhole Midget

Strike today as they didnt get holiday!
rachmacb

Fuel cells have been around for a long time, having been used to provide power for space vehicles, etc., since the 60s.

I think the concept of using them for road vehicles is intriguing, and a lot of research has been aimed that way.

For handheld electronic devices? If they can get the size and weight down, I'd be thrilled to have a phone or iPod that didn't need to be charged every day. As it is, I have an Android phone... I keep a charger here at my desk at home, another at my desk at work, and a 12V charger in the car. In other words, I need to be near a charger at all times with the thing. Battery life is a huge issue, whether you're talking vehicles or personal electronics, and if Apple can adapt fuel cell technology to electronics, more power to them.

-:G:-
Gryf Ketcherside

Prop
As usual you do not read replies.
A hydrogen fuelcel is something completly different from a car battery.
Get a few chemistry lessons you can use them!!
Onno K

I have a newish G2 Android here.
I just used it on a 90 mile round trip for navigation and have used it all day for talking and texting and internet. It's down to about 40% battery remaining, plenty for the evening.

I saw the episode of Top Gear recently where they made their own electric car using an onboard diesel generator.

Of course theirs had to have leaky exhaust and fill the cab with smoke so they could "kill the stig" but in all it was a vehicle that moved about all day on a few gallons of diesel.

Of course anyone with half a mind could do better than the boys.

The Tesla company certainly have come out with a few cars that go like stink and also look good - purely on laptop batteries.
Rick Bastedo

For now hydrogen is NOT the solution!
Because 95% of the hydrogen produced nowadays is derived from natural gas. It is stripped from the gas using steam, leaving a by-product.... CO2. In exactly the same amount that would come free when the gas was burned. So little enviromental improvement there.

IMO the solution would be to generate hydrogen in a place where energy is free (Kind of) like a desert or iceland using solar or thermal generated electricity to split water in H and O and transport that hydrogen to where ever needed. (using ships powered by hydrogen ofcourse)
Alex G Matla

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