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MG Midget and Sprite General - Arie, how many buildings are you going to be burn
| Hahaha.... Sorry Arie, But hey thats job security, burning buildings in london. Sould creat work for painters for years to come ;) Seriously, all jokeing aside, I hope none of our friends have fallen victem to these losers. Im vary curious, ive been following this story scence it began, and All there reporting is the made for the masses sanitized story but id like to know the real story of whats happening and why.I und erstand rioting in the usa, when a cop wrongly shoots a undesirables So what is this REALLY about, and who is really torching the city, id it ethinic, religious, political... Is it really jusy alot of out of control kids.... I just find it hard ti belive that this is all a bunch of 14 year old kids thhat care so deeply about this issue,,,,infact I find it hard to belive there are so many parents so willing to let there children run wild in the streets doung god knows what till 5am So any insight as to whom and why this is really happening....is this really the woork of soccer hooligans,,,,,defintaly alot of them Thankd guys and good luck Arie .... You can paint only so many new buildings so dont torch them all....haahajaja Prop |
| Prop |
| LOL Prop - GO TO BED! It's nothing to do with any of that - and not even football hooligans ........ I heard that an American news team went to London dressed in hardhats and bullet proof vests - so we all know what the media reports! However, there was a starting point - which is being investigated by the Police Complaints Commission, so the full story has not yet been reported, and, therefore, can't be commented on yet, however, it is mostly just opportunist looters who have jumped on the band wagon for financial gain - from ALL ethnic groups. The Community clean up groups are also of ALL ethnic groups! Now - go to bed, you're obviously over-stressed from a lack of pillows ;)!!!!!!!!! |
| rachmacb |
| Its just a bunch of Chavs that need bringing back down to earth with a bit of police brutality! Ahem... :-) |
| M Le Chevalier |
| "So what is this REALLY about, and who is really torching the city, id it ethinic, religious, political... Is it really jusy alot of out of control kids...." Prop. As far as I know there is no religious aspect involved, other than perhaps the decline in the influence and limiting factors that religions once imposed. It's a complex problem, the root of which is loss of control, and lack of discipline. That is loss of control by authority, and lack of imposed discipline on those that need to be controlled. We ALL need to be controlled to some extent, otherwise there is anarchy. What you see on the news about the UK, is effectively anarchy by some. It's taken a long time to develop, but in essence there are no boundries anymore. Why? because there are no consequencies of any real significance for anyone caught anymore. Why? because those involved feel they have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. More than that, they believe that they have a right to take and destroy as they please. In fact they believe they are "owed" it, by those who have more than they have. Here is just one example of what is happening in the UK. The following are quotes from a Rueters report today. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/08/09/uk-britain-riot-contrast-idUKTRE7785XQ20110809 Its about a place in London called Hackney. I'm a Londoner (was), and I know Hackney well. It used to be a rich area about a hundred years ago, then as with a lot of london it became a crap hole. Then as with much of london the rich began to return to the big houses, due to it's closeness to the city of London (Financial district). The locals feel resentful, and look to others to apportion blame to. As with many things in life, even the absurd has a kernel of validity, and so it is with what you read below. "It's us versus them, the police, the system," said an unemployed man of Kurdish origin in his early 20s, sitting at the entrance to a Hackney housing estate with four Afro-Caribbean friends who nodded in agreement. "They call it looting and criminality. It's not that. There's a real hatred against the system," he added, listing what he saw as the police prejudice, discrimination and lack of opportunity that led him and his friends to loot shops, torch bins and hurl missiles at police Monday. "There's two worlds in this borough. More and more middle classes are coming and we're being pushed out. The shops are pricing stuff like it's the West End, we can't afford the rents. We're the outcasts, we're not wanted any more." "There's nothing for us." Those who were out on the streets Monday night, and those who had gathered amid the debris Tuesday morning, said there was no interaction between the two distinct communities, even though they live practically on top of each other. The rioting in Hackney was the third night of violence across the capital, sparked by the fatal shooting by police of a man in another poor borough. "Youths are frustrated, they want all the nice clothes. They ain't got no money, they don't have jobs," a 41-year-old youth worker told Reuters, stood outside the Pembury estate, the scene of much of the trouble Monday night and home to mostly young black people. "To live, to have money in their pocket, they have to thieve, they have to rob. "The people that run this country, they got money, they are rich, they got nice houses. They don't care about poor people." "SCREWING THE SYSTEM" Me again. you could go around the Uk today and find EXACTLY those views expressed anywhere. Cheek by Jowl the rich and poor have always existed. And this is not the first time in history that the "poor" have rioted. i put poor in quotes, because of the nature of "poor" is now relative. I was MUCH "poorer" than kids today, when I was young. ( Not as POOR as those in shanty towns, or living in a mud hut, or out in the open though ). But even though I resented the so called "system" I didn't loot start fires or destroy property. I was no angel. Maybe if I had had no discipline at school, and no fear of percieved or real consequencies, perhaps i might have been inclined to act in the same fashion as those that are now in the news. It is said of the UK, that we police by consent. Yes we do. But a police force is effective if those policed are willing to be policed, and are ultimately fearful of what happens if they refused to be policed. The peope who are so called "rioting", fear nothing the police are allowed to do. If they are arrested, they fear nothing the courts are allowed to impose. One kid was asked by a journalist, why he was doing this (looting stealing and setting fire to shops). he replied, that it was a chance to "get stuff worth loads of money for free", and that it was "fun", and that he is "not bothered by getting caught, as they can't do nuffing to me anyway, can they!" "So I'll just keep doing it till they catch me, then after I'll do it again". Does that help with an explanation Prop? You might wonder what my sentiments are. My sentiments are, read the Riot Act (or at least an updated version of it). Bring in the Army, and shoot to kill. Ask question later. |
| Lawrence Slater |
| I'm sure for a tiny on cost it should be possible to make every plasma TV, ipod and mobile have a smart code that renders it inoperable till legitimately activated. That way the chavs would have no interest in looting places like Curries or the Carphone Warehouse. Maybe it takes a giant fire at Sony to start the ball rolling. Otherwise these things will just turn up on eBay or get flogged at the nearest cashconverters. |
| F Pollock |
| Live rounds and a "shoot-to-kill" policy implemented should see a little less rioting. We have obviously got the wrong end of the stick here, they are not rioting looters, they are disadvantaged children who have been alienated by the inequality of our capitalist society. YEAH F**KIN RIGHT!!!! Once the rooftop sniper teams had shot the first dozen at random with silenced rifles it would become a lot less popular to loot |
| PeterJMoore |
| Lawrence. Thanks for that, most of which I wholeheartedly agree with. I don't think I would go so far as "shoot to kill" though, and of course to get the Army in, the Government would have to declare Martial Law, which would mean the whole country would be affected by curfews etc. and I don't think the Government has got the balls to do that. I'm sadly afraid that your summing up of the reasons behind all this and how it has slowly crept up on us through the errosion of disciplne has hit the nail right on the head. I don't know where it will end and God knows how much it's going to cost the country at a time we really could do without it. I'm going to a MASC meeting tonight in the Sprite and I will be avoiding urban areas on my route. Although it's pouring with rain at the moment and looters and rioters historically choose warm dry days and nights to go on the rampage. Bernie. |
| b higginson |
| Hey Prop, I left the UK last week monday evening so it cant be me letting my sigar remains start up a fire. No money to be made in the UK for a houspainter, do you know howmany already have plastic windows? I get horrible shivers when I see plastic windows, ugly beyond words, depressing. And this depressing vibe caused by plastic windows in houses may actualy be the true cause of the mob going angry!!! LOL!!! Typical, the "poor" steal flatscreens and expensive mobiles... If they really wanted work they should have looted a toolshop and get hammers/drils/saws and other tools they can do jobs with or learn a skill with. No, they steal TV's and phones because that is what they like to do all day: watch tv and text theire mates... Bunch of whining lazy lowlifes, a pitty they are not just in the UK, they are here too altho they havent rioted (yet)... |
| Arie de Best |
| Here here Arie is back! And he hit the nail on the head both about the window frames and the loot. |
| Onno Könemann |
| Yes, it sounds drastic. But if you shot dead a few of the scum, any age any gender, then they would understand immediate consequences. The meaning of immediate and effective deterrence. It's pointless waiting several weeks or months to drag scum like this into court and then giving them a suspended or a 2 month sentence. That does not deter or punnish. When the rules are flouted to this extent, you have to re-establish exactly what the rules are and that they will be enforced. Otherwise the rule of law is meaningless. It takes a long time to build up a society that obeys the law without heavy policing. And once it is broken down it takes a heavy hand to reestablish it. If it means martial law for a month and curfews, so be it. Some of the people involved, are educated, are older than 25, and are not even poor by this countries definition. When this kind of stuff happens, there is no point waiting around to examine the causes. The only sensible course of action, is action. Direct, hard, uncompromising action against anyone who is not prepared to obey the law. That's what most people in this country, and indeed anywhere in the world really want, for the simple reason that we all want to feel secure, and we can't when anyone can ignore the rules of society to this extent and get away with it. But your right, this government and the opposition have no balls. So we'll have a public enquirey, and wait for the next riot to condem in the strongest possible terms. Amen. |
| Lawrence Slater |
| Hear, hear. |
| Dave O'Neill 2 |
| Lawrence, I was with you up until the martial law and curfew. We fought in wars against people who instituted martial law. This is England, it may be frustrating but sometimes the price of true freedom is undergoing a few things that aren't so nice. Rubber bullets, water cannon, firing squad, all those are fine but not making the majority suffer for the actions of the minority. That is the action of a totalitarian society and if we have that, we have nothing. The yobs will have won. I hope that these riots will mark a turning point in our society, that those on the fringes will move into the mainstream and shun the outcasts. But I hoped the same about the MPs expenses, about the banking meltdown, and things haven't changed. So I don't believe there will be any change, there'll be the usual hand wringing, the Police will be even more restricted and the status quo will resume until the next time. Depressing thought, but until we get a genuine sense of direction from politicians, businessmen, community leaders we ain't going nowhere. And as yet no one knows where we are going beyond lining their own pockets, figuratively and literally. Mind you the media love it, something to fill endless hours of rolling news... |
| Max max-at-midgetmax-dot-com |
| Lawrence, I was with you up until the martial law and curfew. We fought in wars against people who instituted martial law. This is England, it may be frustrating but sometimes the price of true freedom is undergoing a few things that aren't so nice. Rubber bullets, water cannon, firing squad, all those are fine but not making the majority suffer for the actions of the minority. That is the action of a totalitarian society and if we have that, we have nothing. The yobs will have won. I hope that these riots will mark a turning point in our society, that those on the fringes will move into the mainstream and shun the outcasts. But I hoped the same about the MPs expenses, about the banking meltdown, and things haven't changed. So I don't believe there will be any change, there'll be the usual hand wringing, the Police will be even more restricted and the status quo will resume until the next time. Depressing thought, but until we get a genuine sense of direction from politicians, businessmen, community leaders we ain't going nowhere. And as yet no one knows where we are going beyond lining their own pockets, figuratively and literally. |
| Max max-at-midgetmax-dot-com |
| Hear hear Max I listen and read alot about fighting wars for freedom and here we are screaming for the same antics found by dictators. Yes there are problems, but they are never solved by taking away the freedom of the majority of law abiding citizens - many of whom have been out there cleaning up. As I quoted already once today - the only thing that allows the triumph of evil is for good to be silent - and the good are standing up - let's not damn them before they get going. |
| rachmacb |
| I feel badly for you over there with your strict gun controls. If anyone tried that stuff over here they would quickly get a head full of lead. The fact that they know that is a great deterrent. |
| Paul W 1976 1500 |
| Lawrence, advocating more brutal measures to control rioters is easy to say. But when you watch videos such as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgXpNqT2kJE&feature=related ... I for one get uncomfortable, especially now that the use of plastic bullets and water cannons has been authorised. Footage of the looting is appalling yet interesting, for instance looting poundland for crisps, why? |
| BH Harvey |
| I’ve put a development in a new thread I started in this General topic list titled - For our overseas friends http://www2.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgbbs&mode=thread&access=&subject=110&source=T&thread=201108110003405793 |
| Nigel At |
| I think you guys need less martial law, curfews, and even police presance... and a whole lot more guns in the hands of shop owners... that will quill the rioting and looting real fast and bring back public decentcy But thats just me, Lawerance... thanks for to opinion on whats happening, it was fun to watch a debate this morning on CNBC, on this vary topic...like the USA, you guys have your share of wack job idiots also Arie... Im Not sure what plastic windows are, and why that would indicate no work if there present Prop |
| Prop |
| Max, I understand what you say about fighting facism in the last war to ensure our freedom today. But don't you agree that our freedom today is threatened by this behaviour? I'm a rebel at heart and hate control and lack of freedom. I was against the introduction of National ID cards for that reason. But just as in the war that Britain fought in, when many civil liberties were curtailed for the duration, I think that in this situation extreme measures are required to restore law and order. Even the loss temporarily of my freedoms. Yes I too long for that killer incident, when finally those in power will say they are going to do something, and actually do it. Perversely, I welcome these events, if they lead to a restoration of the kind of society older generations knew, -- the remnants of which, existed when I was a teenager. If we haven't reached crisis point yet, it can't be far away. I read tonight how "justice" is being speeded up. Magistrates are handing out £50 fines, and 6 month sentences (suspended), along with stiff warnings not to get in trouble again. Well that's alright then. Probelm solved. Rebel that I am, I would happily now accept an ID card, and be pleased to present it on every street corner to a copper or a soldier, if it means that finally it would be possible to round up all the scum in this country and dump them in the English channel. If I have to obey a night time, or after dark curfew, in order that the streets could be sweapt clean, without the risk of innocents (true innocents) getting caught in the cross fire of the army rifles, I would be more than willing to submit to it. Just how much worse do things have to get, before we realise that the percieved freedoms we posses, are little by little being eroded, day by day, by the kind of people that would rob an injured child, mug an old man, rape a woman in her home with her kids looking on, etc etc etc etc. This series of riots, is only the latest, arguabley the worst example (so far), of how far the UK has travelled down the road of allowing anyone to get away with absolutely anything, without any real deterrence or real consequence to their chosen actions. I could go into a shop tomorrow, rob it, kill the shop keeper in the act, get caught, get ten years and be out in 5 with good behaviour. If I loot a store in a riot, and set fire to it as well, just how much of a sentance am I looking at? 2 years? Then out in 12 months to do it again. I'm sick of it. I want real detterence and justice. If in order to catch all the low life, (be they educated, rich or poor, male or female, old or young) that are prepared to act in this fashion, then yes I am prepared to allow a temporary suspension of my civil liberties in order to achieve it. The scum will only have won a short victory and that's ok with me. BH Harvey, Yes I agree it is easy to say. And I do say it. I'm too old to join the police, or the army. But if I could and there was a call to join and fire live rounds at some of these people, I would pull the trigger and happily live with my thoughts afterwards. I live in what has the reputation of a very decent town in kent. I've lived here for almost 20 years. In March this year, I was almost barged to the ground. When I said something, I was met by a torrent of abuse that I should have looked where I was going. I dared to shout back, and I was then faced with a screaming 30 something male nutter charging towards me. I almost broke my toes on his balls and he limped away, but not before he gave me a black eye and cut lip. He could have had a knife. I could be dead. In a couple of years, my best course of action will be to keep my mouth shut, and run away as fast as I can, as I will likely be too old to defend myself anymore. That does not sit comfortably with me. What freedom do I and others have really, if we have to cross the street, in order to avoid being beaten up by any passing animal that feels so inclined? Yes that video is shocking. If those are innocent on the bikes, then I feel sorry for them. But if they are innocent, then they too are the victims of the disorder, not of police brutality even though the police carried out the act. Maybe the police acted first and asked questions later, because they believed those kids to be kids they knew to have been involved in the rioting. There is no doubt that many innocent lives are being caught up in all this, hence I see even more reason to take radical action to stop and reverse the deterioration of society in this country. Rach, As far as I am concerned the only thing that allows the triumph of evil, is for the good to be weak in the face of violent unrest. Tidy up today, and the scum will wreck it again, for good people to tidy up again tomorrow. Let's cut out the cancer first, and tidy up afterwards. I read the news online, and usually ignore the comments underneath. For as many people who post comments, there are as many views on the news. But not with this news. I have never seen so many people in this country agree that truly harsh action is needed, to restore order and repsect back to this country. And I am right with them. |
| Lawrence Slater |
| For the people advocation guns If this had happend in the US how many would have died? |
| Onno Könemann |
| I, for one - and perhaps the only one on here - am PROUD of our history of gun control. I have and do use a shotgun for pest control, so probably know more about how to shoot than those of you calling for live bullets before you start on me!!! Lawrence, it is a shame that you see good as weak but nothing I say will change your opinion, this does not mean I agree - just that I have more interesting things to do. |
| rachmacb |
| You know, deep down inside I have an understanding of how complete rage against the system can cause utter despair. We have a situation where the richest of our society totally screw the poorest, and I don't just mean the Camerons of this world. there's smaller examples every day, just take three very minor examples of how the cost of a nice life gradually puts it beyond the reach of ordinary people Footballers flaunt their obscene wealth and to pay it the working man's game gets priced out of all relevance to the working man. Have you seen the price of premiership tickets? In my sphere of interest, it's now become more expensive to stay home and watch GPs because it's on Sky. All the while Bernie and the F1 teams get richer on the back of my earnings. Electricity and gas bills up by 18 per cent. Exactly where am I going to get 18 per cent from? Not to mention banks losing billions that will be subsidised through our taxes. The people at the top still earn their bonuses though, so that's all right. Glad I could pay for your third jacuzzi sir. I am no liberal lefty, I believe The Blessed Margaret was a bit of a pinko, but there are things going on in our society that cause me to want to join the barricades, if only they were really protesting about the things wrong in society, not using it as a mealy mouthed excuse for yobbish, thuggish behaviour. And you know what makes it worse? When this is all died down there will be enquiries and initiatives, more money will be poured into deprived areas. And where will it come from? A reduction in Government money to the Shires, my Council Tax will go up, I'll get even fewer services all so the scum can be appeased, and the elite can assuage their trendy guilt without harming their standard of living. God, I'm thinking of joining Bob R in the class war! Rise up you middle classes, to the barricades, take your tea and scones and have a picnic in Downing Street until the world changes! |
| Max max-at-midgetmax-dot-com |
| Prop, cast your mind back to the Chicago riots in the States, guns didn't achieve a lot there. |
| Graham P 1330 Frogeye |
| Rachel, I for one would most certainly not want the UK gun laws relaxed! This week's events could have been so much worse if the rioters were all armed. And if the self appointed vigilante groups were also armed it would have been mass slaughter. Despite agreeing generally with Lawrence' views I don't believe that increased weaponry is the way to go with this. After all, look what is going on in Syria. The reasons and justifications may be different but it shows that even the heaviest use of arms by the authorities cannot prevent civil uprisings, whatever their cause. |
| Guy |
| Nowhere have I called for the arming of citizens, with either knives or firearms. I advocate properly trained and authorized police/army to use maximum force, including guns if neccessary. But I do not think that I, or anyone else running around with a gun, would have prevented this, or stop it now. Logically it would escalate into a different kind of problem. The USA is a different country with a long cultural history of gun ownership. It is both simplistic and meaningless to compare the UK with it. However we do have a gun problem in this country, but at least, amazingly, guns appear not to have played much of a part in these riots. Max, I can't agree. Our system, is not that bad, EVEN IF YOU ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF IT. People in this country live like kings and queens compared to truly poor people in other parts of the world. Nobody has to regularly go to bed hungry or without somewhere to sleep. Even the homeless can find shelter of some kind, although it might not be exactly luxurious, but even they weren't rioting. This is not about disadvantage. Life owes you or me NOTHING. It's up to each and everyone of us to take responsibility for our lives and it's outcome, good or bad, and not blame or look to others, if it turns out to be crap. If you can't afford university or new shoes, tough. that's your life, lump it. Don't think you can go out and destroy other peoples lives because you dont like your own. Just how much do the "poor" and "disadvantaged" in this country suffer? They have sat' TV, computer games consoles, can afford to smoke, wear Nike trainers, eat burgers and kebabs, drink at starbucks, go on holiday, etc etc. all at the tax payers expense, just as you say Max. Would I want to man the barricades with these people? Would I want to man the barricades with people who have managed their finances so badly that they cant afford a holiday this year and are in arrears with their Mortgage, and cant meet their credit card bills? NO and NO. Do I think that theiving MP's should be kicked out and sent to prison and better yet publicly flogged? Do I think that footballers and other so called talented celebrities have too much wealth? YES and YES. But because of that, do I think I should be angry enough to smash up society, and steal from others, because I can't get at the rich and powerful? NO NO NO, as Maggie once said. Rach, If you are going to name me, please interpret and read my posts accurately (if you are able). You said, "Lawrence, it is a shame that you see good as weak" What I ACTUALLY said was " As far as I am concerned the only thing that allows the triumph of evil, is for the good to be weak in the face of violent unrest" If you can't understand my post, and can't see the difference between it, and your interpretation of it, then I have better things to do than try to teach you comprehension. |
| Lawrence Slater |
| Rach wrote.... " I have and do use a shotgun for pest control, so probably know more about how to shoot than those of you calling for live bullets before you start on me!!!"" AMEN! Rach !!! Rioters and looters are nothing but pest !!!! Go Get em girl,..... hahahahaha |
| Prop |
| "Rach wrote.... " I have and do use a shotgun " Women with guns???? I fear the end of the world is now upon us.... :) |
| Arie de Best |
| Prop - many might think much the same about you ;)!:P I suggest that you ask Arie to tell you of the punishment that it might get should he visit me when the vet was around, and get mistaken for one of the colts ...!!!! That should cut down the testosterone levels ..... :) |
| rachmacb |
| Peter Oborne has set down my feelings exactly as if he read my mind, he describes what I feel much better than I did above http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/ |
| Max max-at-midgetmax-dot-com |
| Please spare a thought for the disaffected youth WITH morals that DIDNT go out looting burgling and vandalising. In particular two young friends of my family who now have nothing after this outrageous turn of events. Despite a rough upbringing, they have struggled and worked hard on very little money to find the few possessions they had. Now their homes and whole lives are burnt to the ground and they dont have a bed of their own to sleep in tonight. Hell they dont even have a clean pair of socks for the morning, its all gone. Wil they take it out on the rest of us? Did they go robbing when it would have been easy to do it? No, because they are decent people but where does that get them? Who cares about them? The stupid kids running riot didn't. The police won't. The Govt won't. They'll be forgotten while the authorities build youth centres and fund community programs. Yes the hooligans need teaching a lesson and shown the way but there are good kids out there too. Good at heart despite their bad start in life. Don't tar them with the same brush as the spoiled brats please. They are the ones that need to be shown what compassion is about and praised for being better than the lowlifes. They are the ones to be given help and a little financial hand up the ladder and shown as examples of the decent side of the youth out there. Oops I'll step off the soapbox now. |
| Bob T |
| Stay up there Bob you've as much right as anyone and it's more than true what you are saying. Several groups are raising money for people who lost everything and again going to prove there are the sensible majority. Compassion is sadly lacking in the world - not soppy rubbish stuff, but the sort that will cause people to get up, stand up and take control of things. Suppose hate and apathy rules because it's easier. Many young people are so easily vilified - tarred with a brush of fear made worse by the media and "hug a hoodie" attitude of patronising. Good luck to your friends and may all those in the same circumstances get the chances they need. I read that the Salvation Army and other churches in Croydon are distributing donations - but you will know more than I being there .... |
| rachmacb |
| Bob T. I agree with you Rach, Bob, you should stay on the soap box, and DON'T appologise for it because you are absolutely right. The more people who proclaim, that however disadvantaged you might be, however much you have lost, there is NEVER any justification WHATSOEVER for the events of the past several days, the more chance we have as a society of getting back to where we once were. You can link cause and effect if you want to look for reasons, but there is no justification, EVER, for the events of the last few days. And whatever the causes, the solutions and responses, have to be way different to the sloppy, sentimental, understanding approach of the last several decades. "Despite a rough upbringing, they have struggled and worked hard on very little money to find the few possessions they had." That says it all Bob. That is the spirit I grew up in too. That's the world we all knew once upon a time in this country. Irrespective of how much richer neighbours were, people didn't turn en masse to arson looting and murder, to get what they thought society owed them. Instead they used work save and plan for a better future for themselves. I agree, MOST people in this country, including MOST younger people in this country, still feel that way, but they are hampered not only by government failings, but by those that don't want to work or contribute, but would rather simply take. My solution is to get rid of those that would rather kill steal and destroy, in whatever is the cheapest and speediest way, as soon as they cross the line of reasonable behaviour. Max, I agree with pretty much every word from the Telegraph link you posted. But there is a very significant difference between the Peter Greens, the Richard Bransons, and the hypocritical Hazel Blears, the Gerald Kaufmans, the David Camerons, and all the rest of them; and the low life scum that went on a rampage of theft, arson and assault and murder. They (the rich and powerful) don't set fire to buildings with people asleep above. They don't destroy shops that the owner has spent 20 or more years turning into a viable enterprise to support his family. They don't KILL innocent residents who try to put out such fires. They don't steal from Malaysian students who have had their jaw broken by other rioters. They don't set fire to a shop below a flat, and cause a woman to have to jump out of the window to save her life, ----- etc etc etc -----------. In spite of the corrupt politicians, the over wealthy and self centered bransons and greens, and the feckless vacuos celebrities, it is still possible to get an education in this country, get a job and achieve. That to me is the difference. So I can't accept any linkage between the rich and the disadvantaged in that respect. Here are two links, (You might like to laugh about them if you are reading another thread on this subject. For once in my life, I am unable to find anything even remotely ammusing about a turn of events). http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/skyuk-25539322/ealing-riot-attack-victim-dies-in-hospital-26257751.html http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/skyuk-25539322/gang-reveals-riot-shopping-spree-26258882.html |
| Lawrence Slater |
| Bob T Your posting is the most thought provoking thing I have seen or heard since the disorder started a week ago. When the politicians announce their solutions, which they will with great fanfares, they must be held to account to ensure these solutions help the normal majority you referred to. There is no need to apologise for reminding us of those who are usually forgotten - the normal majority. |
| Ray Rowsell |
| I notice Theresa May has come up with a genius alternative plan to prison in order to deal with those charged with rioting. Make them say sorry!!! Well, that's all sorted then... You couldn't make it up. |
| Bob T |
| Bob t. sounds cruel and unusual treatment to me...you brits are a vengful bred, next someone will suggest they stand in a corner for 5 minutes wit there noses touching a chaulk dot on the wall Oh the blood thirst of you brits...at least here in the states we are humain, and just shoot them on site....no suffering on there part Hahahaha Prop |
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