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MG Midget and Sprite General - are midgets JUST hobby cars ?

right, just had a massive argument with the parents. they seem to think that MG midgets are cars which old men spend all year polishing and take out for ' a few weeks in the summer '. someone back me up ?

i swapped my clio for a midget in hope that i could use it nearly every day in good conditions ( not ice and snow )

opinions...........

jc collins

Just hobby cars...no not at all, there are plenty of people on here who use them daily. I have used my k-midget a few days each week, even in the ice and snow and it was/is great fun!

As for polishing, I've only cleaned my blue midget 2 or 3 times in the last 12 months and k-midget has yet to be polished once!

now if you asked that question about mgb's...well maybe you'd get a different answer!

I think that the general agreement on here is that midgets are for driving!

John

John Collins

NO

not many hobbyists here Joe

We've folks who think nothing of driving to France, Italy, Germany at the drop of a hat in here. And the ones who already live over there with the same attitude

'cept for last year (cos of restraints financial) and this year because of Midget 50 I have been to the 24 hrs Le Mans every year since 2003 when we saw the Bentley victories, in my 1275

I can use my car to play with technically, so I do, but I will drive her anywhere (did I hear a hat fall?)

Let your folks think what they like, the more you use yours the better. But mind your dad, it won't be long until he wants "another go"
Bill 1

Who are your folks calling old?? :op Mind you, technically I'm not a Midget driver at the mo lol but when she's going she gets used daily as do most of the cars here.

Yes, Midgets are very basic but still very practical. Simplicity is the beauty of them!
Bob T

My Midget will be (and was for the few months after I bought it and before I took it apart 12 months ago) used daily most of the time - sometimes I have a work car, and sometimes in unpleasant weather when with my fiancee we will no doubt take her BMW instead - but I was using it to drive to and from work and everywhere else without concerns. I do have another car as well, but once I've got the Midget sorted the other car will probably be sold. Either that or taken to pieces and rebuilt, I am kind of fond of it, but that's another story...
AndrewF

Even through the ice and snow!
Well certainly then because the alternative does not work in ice and snow (trains)
Onno Könemann

Is the midget a hobby car.... Heck No! Its a religion, away of life, its not even a noun, more of a verb or an adjective. If God drove a car, it would be a midget, Look at it like this... MG is a holy car, Triumphs on the other hand are for godless heathen girl panty wearing, dog hateing degenerates... everything else is just A to B transportation

The midget IS the perfect car because you can make it into what ever you want... these car have NO RULES!!!

It can be made into a truck, a 4x4, a dragster, a track racer, a junker, a garage queen concourse, a hot rod, a gas milage king... your only limited by your imagination, Ive seen people use them every day, and Ive meet people that had them under a blanket in boxes for 25 years

How this car is used is in the eye of owner/driver.

If I wasnt a house painter needing a truck to work out of everyday... id drive the midget full time

To answer your question... is the midget a hobby car? Is a microwave a hobby kitchen aid, the toaster? the mixer?... the computer/printer/internet

what about the level quality of education... is harvard, MIT, Brown... a hobby collage?

The answer lies with the beholder... if you USE it... probably not, If you play with it like I do, yeah it probably is... but Ive found the line blurried from hobby and religion... when it comes to the midget, if you want to know which master you serve... ask where your heart lies, and your soul fins comfort. what do you love to think about, what will you sacrafice everything for... for me Jesus comes in second,(...Mmmm okay maybay 5th, hahaha sorry god, least i didnt lie...Hahaha) the Midget is always 1st. and will always be

Hollow be the midget, and david vizard be thy savior

Prop
Prop

btw... what is the defintion of Old man?

Im 46 body wise, but probably 17 mentally... is that old?
Prop

JC

I myself can't see the point of owning a car and NOT be using it... to me that's crazy. I intend to be using it as much as I can if I just can get the damn thing back on the road..
Alexander Sorby Wigstrom

LOL Prop hun - you're OLD - accept it :P!!!!!

Folks can, ultimately, do what they want with their cars, however, if you have a quick look at the Car of the Year Award for the MGCC, you'll find Midgets that do EVERYTHING!

Mine isn't getting quite so much use now, but I used it every-day for work, over an area about 100 miles square, so was averaging 1500 miles at least a month - not many modern cars do that!

On top of that, it's been to the Netherlands, loads of places in the UK, it's done Autotests, Autosolos, Drive it days, Pride of Ownerships (although, it'll never win them!), basically - anything and everything that a modern car does - PLUS more! Oh yeah - I was only SECOND in points, so, there's at least one out there that does more ;)

For sure, there's those who don't use them, who polish them like crazy - but, don't forget, too much polish ruins them ;) Good luck to those people too, as they have the midgets that the rest of us will use in the future - when we've broken our current ones!!!

To your parents, yes, there are those, but, there's a huge amount of people who just enjoy the little car for what it is - a car!
rachmacb

I think the vast majority ARE hobby cars . But I dont see anything wrong with that, and we dont need to justify it.

Many of our cars are used a lot, a few everyday but in my mind they are hobby ....as in they are not essential transport.

Ian
Ian Webb '73 GAN5

My midget is defently a hobby car to me but not in a way as your parents describe it.
I bought mine when I was 20, im 36 now and have been fiddeling with it since.
It went from exUS wreck to 57 bhp concours rubberbumper to 160 bhp bumperless cheap-AstonMartin.
Beside my van as daily driver I still do more then 10.000Km's a year in the midget in sun-rain-snow to Belgium, Germany and countles times in England, Wales and Scotland.
Sprites and midgets are made to be driven,
in trafficlightraces, track, Classic Rally's (on Tarmac & gravel)and also as sunday-boulevard-cruiser.

I think your parents confuse spridget people with most mgb-drivers or the "tweed brigade" form the oldest MG club in the world. :)


Arie de Best

Since 1977 BRB has gone from sole car (so used e.g. Sheffeild-Southampton weekend commute sometimes in deep snow, daily driver to work/back, shopping, holidays, visits to B&Q to bring home new work surfaces, wedding car, LeMans, ...) to hobby / competition car.

Even now as car#3, it's never polished, but has a wash 3x a year on average, just like its owner. And it comes out mainly to terrorise the average UK motorist (as Arie says, but only 154bhp in my case).

I've had 'tweeds' on my Xmas list for some years now, but still waiting; probably will use Arie's cast-offs when he upgrades to a full plus-4s outfit.

BTW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_fours
My Latin master at prep school used to wear them; his favourite word was 'crikey'!. A real top teacher and gent (though he looked a little fierce to us as young boys; Quiney was his name).


A
Anthony Cutler

No, not JUST hobby cars!I must admit, though, I suppose I do use mine as a hobby!
I am a retired mechanical engineer and get great satisfaction from keeping my Midget in a good a mechanical condition as I can, finance permitting, and using it whenever I can if the weather is suitable.
It is theraputic for me to fiddle and fettle with things mechanical, but I also try to avoid deliberately driving in really bad conditions if I don't have to.
Just common sense really!
JB Anderson

Sadly JC as you can see most Spridget owners/drivers live in a fantasy world! LOL

The vast majority of us are old foggies (slightly different to stuck in the mud dinosaurs but we have them too) and that can be seen when you look at the committees of all the clubs (Well 2 clubs anyway as the 3rd club being a business does not have a committee)

I know very few people whose only vehicle is a Spridget so from a practical point of view we all tend to have alternative transport. I am pleased to say that most of the people I know with only the Spridget as transport are generally the young owners who do not require kids or gand kids moving around.

MGB owners are exactly the same as spridget owners so not sure where JC (Collins) is coming from?

In a recent discussion not far from here the concensus of opinion was that an everyday classic would be an MGBGT, whilst I agree with that I do think that with the right approach the Spridget can be a great everyday car.

My everyday car is either the wifes MB or my MGF (a fantastic everyday car) So my car is a hobby car that is used to tour France Europe or just have fun modifying along with my MGA. Sadly I do not wear any tweed nor do any of the people I know who own MGFs MGBs, MGA, MGCs etc.

Bob Turbo Midget England

Regarding MGBs, I used my 1971 MGB roadster as my every day transport to work and back for 12 years, rain, sun ,snow and ice, and not once did I get stranded. It also took me to Silverstone each year (a round trip of 750 miles) and various other long distance journeys. Before the B I had a '73 Midget and that did the same duty.

I am now retired and have a BGT V8 and am rebuilding a Midget. I don't get out as much as I used to because I don't have to go to work any more, but my V8 has been up and down the length of the country twice in the past 18 months, covering 1500 miles in two weeks, and has seen many parts of Scotland. OK, it doesn't go out when the roads are salty, but it doesn't mind the rain. Given that I spent 6 years (and tons of money) rebuilding it, that only seems sensible to me.
Mike Howlett

I agree with Ian

>>I think the vast majority ARE hobby cars<< I'm sure that is correct

and agree >>Many of our cars are used a lot, a few everyday but in my mind they are hobby ....as in they are not essential transport<< as the vast majority of all cars in this country are not essential transport you could class them as a hobby even the "first", "main", or "family" cars altho' I'm sure the owners would argue they are essential, for 2 years before and 3 years after buying our first (and only) home we only had pushbikes and managed very well (yes even I was young and fit once, a long time ago)

I've had a BGT and a B roadster for a while as first/everday cars and two Spridgets as a first/everyday cars - depending on your circumstances I am proof that a roadster or Spridget is just as good an everyday car as a BGT

Quite right the vast majority of classic car owners are old, especially so with B roadster owners it seems to me even at my age now, and club memberships are mainly only old folk but some youngster are getting into old cars because they like them so lets hope some take an interest in the clubs and replace some ancient ones

As for "tweeds" all marques and models have them even Spridgets, dare I mention tarty red/ chrome wire types (not necessarily the car but the person) I've seen 'tweed' types in lots of clubs and lots of marques

My Spridget is my only car and I'm certainly not young, in fact I'm a boring old fart in most things including cars - I did persuade my wife to not worry about having to own a four seater car to drive others around as almost everybody else we knew owned 4/5 seater cars so her last 3 cars have been two seaters which are very rarely available for me to use even if I wanted to
Nigel Atkins

Someone on another forum asked why some of us drive our $25,000 modern cars on salty roads, but leave our $3,500-$5,000 midget in the garage. It took me awhile to rationalize it since I'm much more capable of repairing corrosion on my midget than a modern. Ultimately, I realized it is because I plan on keeping my spridgets much longer than my modern car. I know that soon the repair bills / garage time on my modern car will necessitate me buying another.

So yes... my midget is a hobby car. However, for me it is not about show and shine and tweed. It is about driving and tinkering.
Trevor Jessie

I bought my Midget as my only car when I was 21, it was used for commuting to work as well as fortnightly visits from Warwick to Liverpool. I also had several trips to France as well as tours of Scotland. I learned a heck of a lot about mechanics and when the time came for a more sensible car I kept the Midget and turned it into a hobby car. This meant tuning it sprinting it and generally enjoying it! 25 years later I still have the car and am looking foreward to returning it to its former glory.
So yes you can use it every day, with the right care it can be very reliable, cheap to repair when it does go wrong. Way more fun than anything else for the money but you might get wet occasionally but you will still be smiling. I say go for it, there is all the help you need from us old foggies and almost nothing you can't do yourself.

Good luck
Carl

ps out of interest, what sort of insurance quotes are you getting as a 17 year old? Have you tried any of the specialists? I ask because my 15 yr old is starting to restore a Midget for his own use!

Photo of my car as I bought it.

C Bintcliffe

JC-
We have a close lady friend who has been using her Midget as a daily driver ever she bought it new when she graduated from college back in 1971. The transmission has been overhauled twice and the engine is now close to receiving its third rebuild after having done well over 300,000 miles! This proves that with proper maintenance, the car is very durable.

My Son and I are presently in the process of building an Austin Healey Sprite for him to use as his daily driver when he goes off to college.

My own Midget gets regular use with no reliability problems.

So, I would have to say that your parent's view of the car's utility is somewhat, er, um..., uhh....., narrow, to put it politely.
Stephen Strange

LMAO - as you can see - there are many topics that can bring out all the totally opposite points of view!

In defence of the clubs, you'll meet some of the most interesting people there - yes, some will be old, but, there's a wealth of experience and knowledge there - which MOST are happy to pass on to the younger generation. You'll also be exposed to all sorts of driving, social and competitive - and learn loads.

Don't let ANYONE or their attitude put you off - go, enjoy yourself, meet loads of people and have the time of your life.

As for me - well, my other car is also an MG - and even older than the Midget!!!!!
rachmacb

I am old (36) and I wear a Tweed Jacket (Musto Technical tweed, Very very nice!)
My classic cars are my daily cars during the summer and and hobby during the winter. The only reason they are not all year around is because they don't go through the deep snow here in Canada
I had a TR3a a couple of years ago in England and the lads at work would argue over who was getting a lift to work from me in the TR. They all felt they arrived at work in a better frame of mind and arrived home again more relaxed after a blast in a classic convertible. These were all hot hatch fans before riding in a proper car! One of them bought a midget to restore in the end.

The midget, and in my opinion all classic British sports cars, are very different from the moderns. If you want to get to a destination drive a modern. If you want to enjoy every minute of getting there, you won't find much better than a spriget! You'll find yourself taking the long way home from work, just to drive more!

Buy one and start having fun!

Paul
Paul Barnes

My Sprite has been my only car for the past 6 years. Yes in theory I could borrow my wife's car but in practice she needs it every day for work so I need to rely on mine as my only practical form of transport.

Is it a hobby? well yes it is. But it is also a necessity and has to be there ready for work at any time.

Guy
Guy

I've used Spridgets as every day transport for years. Before leaving the UK, I used my Frogeye as much as possible doing approximatly 600 / 700 miles a week. Today, Anita uses her Midget as daily transport (the ONLY car we have on the road) and as a weekend fun car.

OK... maybe I'm not 'Old' (unlike Bob.... lol), but I still think the more you use your Midget, the more reliable it'll be abd the more you'll enjoy it....

Mark.
M T Boldry

Interesting reading this, it does seem that yes they are honbby cars (as mentioned by Ian above) basically as many of us on here are in a fortunate enough position to run at least one other car as well as the midget, however, many of us choose to use the midget as often as possible.

Bob, I apologise for my sweeping comment about mgb's, it was only based on my experience of the 2 mg clubs of which I am a member, I started driving my midget at 17 (still got that one as well - 23 years on) and found that I was looked down upon due to driving a midget, and also due to the fact that I was still learning about maintaining/bodging my car and it seemed that MGB drivers were more about chequebook restorations.

Having said that, I've owned many MGB's and GT's as well as plenty of MGF's over the years (in fact I agree that the ideal clasic is a BGT as it is practical and probably more of an all year round classic) however, I still don't think that they come close to the enjoyment of a spridget for sheer driving fun - smiles per miles etc.

Also as a final point, I've met more helpful/friendly/knowledgable people whilst driving/messing with spridgets than with any other cars that I've owned (including other marque car clubs)

Hopefully JC (the other younger one) will stick to using the midget as much as ossible and having fun with it.
John Collins

As and 20 year old (1989!) I ran my Midget as my only transport, travelling North East to Rosyth ever 2 weeks (My old Royal Navy life!). Did this for almost 3 years and yes there were times when I cursed at the side of the road waiting for the AA/RAC man but there were also some fantastic times to boot. Then came the wife and family, the Midget sat neglected for a few years until I left the Royal Navy and started working for real!! I put the Midget (1995) back on the road and used it as a daily driver until 1999 when I became a service engineer and a company car came along! Now the Midget & MGF (etc, still want a Beach Buggy and Mini!!) are used solely as pleasure drives and my eldest is hankering after the Midget now (He's in RN too now!) but I'm going to make him wait.

Daily driver? Yes, go for it. It's a great experience, but be prepared for the pitfalls!!!

Simon.
S McGregor

loads of wrting ! haha

im 17 and my insurace in like £600 i think.

me and my dad had a massive argument, its just coz i now have an MG midget that needs a bit work done to it and iv had nothing but people putting me down saying stupid and that i cant do it....when in real life they can f***k off.

i know i can do it, i havent had sleep for a while tbh and its not worrying about things....its thinking HOW to do things and where to start.

i can see your all decent people who have a passion for MG midgets and so on, just becasue im 17 dosent make me exempt, hope youl agree :)

joe collins
jc collins

YOUCH! Mind you, I suppose £600 is still cheaper than many other cars - have you checked with the classic car insurance companies too? Footman James/Peter Best/Lancaster/Adrian Flux are the most common - might get it down a bit for you. One minor thing that I discovered at the weekend is that, apparently, they don't count for "no claims bonus" though :(

Stop worrying - it's over-rated and you'll go grey! Pick a place to start, concentrate on that, and move around in a logical manner. For me, that's usually the engine, as I hate bodywork ... ;)

I've had a passion for Midgets since before I can remember, and from the age of 7, it's the only car I've ever wanted. Sadly, I had to wait a whole lot longer than 17 to get there, so, you're more than welcome - and you'd be more than welcome at your local club - whichever one you choose - and, they DO have a wealth of knowledge and enthusiasm - as I said on another post, you'll learn loads!!!

The other thing I'd recommend is the Triumph Yoof - and go on their weekend!!!!! As you should have all your work done by then ;)

Good luck - and pity me, at the moment I'm driving a god-awful 4x4 as I've spent way too much time tearing my hair out about committee things to actually sort out the Midget - and now my other MG has started making a gruesome noise ....... - maybe your parents might have a point (like mine, and, if you're anything like me, you'll ignore them too ;)!

Get some sleep..........
rachmacb

Joe, most of us may be a bit older than you (I'm probably a fair bit older than your Dad!), but we are delighted that you are interested in older MGs. It bothers me that when all us old farts push off to the garage in the sky, who is going to care for the cars that we have so lovingly owned. Get yours going and show the yoof round your way the fun you can have in a great British sports car.

I honestly think I have lived in the best time for the enjoyment of cars. I passed my test in 1966. Motoring was cheap, and there weren't the regulations we have now - there wasn't even a speed limit on the main roads. There were dozens of different British makes to choose from and if you bought a foreign car you were thought to be a bit peculiar. Of course, cars and driving were a lot more dangerous as well, but we didn't give it a thought. I bought an MGA 1600 MkII when I was 19 - it was cheap because nobody wanted them back then. I drove it flat out, completely legally, on the Eastleigh by-pass just to see what it would do. Try that now and you'll get banned.

I know what you mean about lying in bed thinking about the next problem to solve - I still do it. Don't be tempted to modify your car just yet. Just get it road worthy and find out how it goes and how you like it. One of the real plus points of these cars is that they are extremely simple machines, so they really can be fixed by the owner, unlike the soul-less computerised boxes that are sold today.
Mike Howlett

Mike when I was a youngster and bought my Frogeye the old farts of the time were buying T Type Midgets and even dare I say it Austin sevens!

Today old farts are driving Spridgets, MGBs and the like.

Based on that I suspect when this present generation become old farts they will be driving cossies, type Rs, and scoobies.

I wonder what the norm of those days will be?

No doubt a water powered (hydrogen) Toyota @ 100 miles to a pint of water. :)
Robert (Bob) Midget Turbo

I'm not that older than you Joe, and I still lie in bed thinking what to do to the car next!

Definitely go for getting it going before mods, I did, this has the bonus of you get it going faster, then any other mods you do you feel the proper benefit of them.

600 quid insurance at 17 is NOT BAD! well done for finding something that cheap!

Definitely not exempt from the MG bug, however old you are. My dad actually got withdrawal symptoms when I took mine to York!

And the earful that my mum got off my grandparents when I turned up with it on a trailer! She was in sooo much trouble for 'letting me buy it'. As soon as they'd had a ride in it that all changed.

I'm already an old fart, even though I'm 24. But I don't care. And I've never polished it in 6 years of ownership, mostly because the paint is TOO thin.
Rob Armstrong

good input people, its doing alot for my confidence. meens alot
jc collins

I'm 25... I've only owned one car younger than me, and I don't think it's likely I'll own another any time soon. Bob and Mike, I have no doubt you are right to some degree, but I don't think it is totally true. I know a lot of younger guys who are into minis, or hot rods, or 50s customs, or 70s muscle cars. Sure, the majority may well move on with their generation, but there are always enthusiasts of all ages for all periods of cars. I am definitely interested in having an Austin 7, a T Type MG and a 30's hot rod at some point in my life. Along with a 70s Porsche, a big block Nova, a... I think that a lot of young people today believe that modern plastic cars are pretty soul-less just as many people here would.

Having said that, I did have a young engineer here look over my shoulder the other week and say "yuck, who'd want an old car" (much to my annoyance!), but he's not a car person anyway, so no great loss.
AndrewF

JC,

I think wear your parents are comming from, is the lack of experiance they may fear you poses, im sure they would have similar concerns if you took up repealing, mountian climbing, and deep sea diving without proper training. I think there trying to e the voice of reason, after all if you get bogged down then abaondond the car in there garage when you move out to go to collage, then what are they supposed to do with your project... you have to admit, that would be a legitamite concern esp if your family is "Non-mechanically talented"

Im sure I am not alone if your family isnt mechanically talented... the best argument you can make for this car would be to join a local active MG car club, a club that is both eductional on repair and restroation as well as an out let for driving challanges as well as pretty shows... trust me, at 17 you wont be looked at with distain from others but you will become everones friend, all you will have to do is say... How do I fix this... your learning curve will fast and steep.

just a hint... dont hold your self to just an MG car club, join up with all the local BMC britich classic car clubs, you will really devolop some frindships and how tos.

Im sure your parents would have a change of heart if they saw your dedication to the car thur your involvement at the local club level
Prop

or you could say... yepp mom and dad, your right! The midget is a bad idea. Meet my new frind, he is a cook, it dosnt smell good what he cooks but his customers sure love his products

MOM, you dont mind if we use some driano cleaner,anhydrous ammonia , some acetone and sudifed medicne tablets to cook with do you???...LOL

Prop
Prop

wish I was 17 mate
Mike Howlett's got it nailed, I'm afraid that once these MG things invade you there is no return
Remember at all times though SAFTEY FAST is the motto and saftey first should be on your mind with every job that you do to your car. Welcome Joe
Cheers Willy
William Revit

Arie,
That looks like a 2012 calendar picture! Care to submit it? spridget.calendar@gmail.com
David "Calendars of dirty Spridgets" Lieb
David Lieb

David why would want to put this picture in a calender? there are no naked women on it. LOL!!


Ill mail to you later today.
Arie de Best

Rob Armstrong said:
"I still lie in bed thinking what to do to the car next"

I'm older, I lie UNDER the car thinking what to do to the car next" !!

I think that the thing that us "wise old farts" are forgetting is the time factor. At 17, the prospect of a 3 - year rebuild is just out of the question, although when one is ancient this seems quite reasonable. At 17, 3 months is barely acceptable. When I got my first Spridget to rebuild I replaced both sills, repaired the floors, the lower door hinges and the rear spring hangers in 2 weekends of work. And prepped the car for MOT the next day. 2 weeks after diverting the car from its way to the scrapyard I was driving it - legally!
Guy

Guy, and now your working on a frog for over 2 years and it cant even roll yet let alone think of a mot...
LOL!!
Arie de Best

Arie,
That is what an excess of birthday celebrations does for you. Be warned!
Guy

Guy-
My son Danny got his Spridget while he was not yet 14, knowing that it was worse than a basket case and would require a collosal effort to restore it. He's been working steadily on it for 29 months and hopes to have it done by this coming summer. It isn't just us "wise old farts" who love these cars and are willing to invest the time an effort required to bring them back.
Stephen Strange

No they are not just hobby cars. They can be. For me at the moment mine probably is but for my daughter who is driving it every day to school and back it is not - it is, however, the coolest car in the car park!
Once she goes off to university, myb wife and I will be driving it when ever we fancy. It will be our third car so it may have periods sitting in the garage being repaired or maintained but not just a hobby car.
D Brown

Stephen, I wasn't suggesting that it was only oldies that were prepared to invest the time! Its just that when young, one is impatient for results and to get driving. This results in marathon efforts, working all night etc to get the thing sorted. I fully expect Joe to get it finished within 3 months.

Actually its illogical. It should be the other way round - Oldies should be desperate to get on with the work - our days are numbered!
Guy

GUY,

your dead on!

If I had been 20 years younger my engine would have been built and running in a week....when I was 25 I replaced the head and gaskets, timing belt, on my mazda pick up in only a day in a half outside during a snow storm ... I just put up the pup tent over the engine bay... NOT today, just dont have the mojo at 46. Now just changing spark plugs and the oil is a all day saterday affair
Prop

"GUY,

your dead on!"


Prop, be a bit more carefull with that kind of expressions, guy is already counting his days as they are numbered he says and then you come in and saying: Guy, YOUR DEAD on.
LOL!!

Arie de Best

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