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MG Midget and Sprite General - 1.5 ratio High lift roller rockers.... Geometery

Okay Ive got the high lift roller tipped rockers 1.5 ratio installed tonight...But ran out of time to adjust the valve clearance .... so they are just backed off and snug for tomarrows calibration/set up

And yes Ill remember to adjust from the side and not the front, and Im going to set the clearance to .18

I have the purple ones (Vary pretty) from minimania/mini spares..

http://www.minimania.com/web/Item/C-AHT446/InvDetail.cfm

My question is about the GEOMETRY, I know we have talked about this before in the past, But Ive sorta forgotten the details


the rocker is angled across the top ...which part is supposed to be level?

The angled part that holds the roller tip Or the longer section that holds the adjusting screw and nut?

currently if you stand back and look down across the top of the rockers the angled part of the rocker that holds the roller tip that sits on top of the valve stem is what is level. (horizontial)...so the top of the valve sten is flat agianst the exact bottom of the roller tip...... the long part of the rocker that holds the adjusting screw is angled downward at about 15-20 degrees....Im really hoping that the correct set up

My push rods all appear to be straight up and down (Vertical)...just a vary slight lean towards the valve side...But its hard to see its so neglegable, clearly with in reason I belive, on the 2 valve that are depressed the push rod is moved the oppisite direction by the same amount...I think once there adjusted the pushrods will be dead on vertical.


I got another question....Ive got ARP hardware, and used the ARP molly lube on the threads nut and washers. so the head torque is only 40 foot pounds...(yeah vary light In my opinion also) ...on the smaller studs that help hold the rockers I did them to 25 as there isnt no real standard other then dont over do it

Im just un-comfortable at 40 foot pounds with the high lift roller rockers, thats alot of force and movement going on with those high lift rockers while being held on at only 40 foot pounds. My gut is telling me to loose the ARP molly lube and go to 10w30 oil and torque to 60 foot pounds...(ARP recommendation if not using there molly lube)

Granted Im trusting ARP completely only because they are the gold standard, and im sure Ill leave it at that and not make the adjustment...but whats your thoughts....

Thanks guys

Prop
Prop

Sorry

An ALMOST (UN-RELATED) question...

on the old rockers (folded sheet metal) on the 2nd pedistal there is that little clip with the 2 round holes and the slot...

What tthe Heck is that clip for...I noticed even that #2 pedestal is shorter then the other 3

On my new high lift rockers...all 4 pedistals appear to be the same hight, but a set screw in place of the slot...I dont need one of those clips on the new rockers do I ....It didnt come with one that i remember.


prop
Prop

Prop,

You have to understand what is happening when you use a torque wrench to tighten a fastener.

What you are doing is loading the fastener with a defined amount of longitudinal STRESS (load per unit area) which sets a predefined amount of STRETCH in the fastener; this stretch causes the male threads to lock with the female threads, and it is this locking action that provides the requisite clamping load, NOT the torque per se.

With a blind fastener such as a head stud you can't measure the actual stretch so you utilise the fact that the longitudinal stress (and hence stretch) is proportional to the torque load applied (where the CORRECT load is applied - typically 60-80% of the fastener's 'Yield Point').

When you tighten a fastener you will generate FRICTION which will cause a radial stress within the fastener (actually it can be derived as an axial stress) IN ADDITION to the longitudinal stress within the fastener that causes the stretch. Your torque wrench can not discriminate between these two stresses and thus adds them together.

If you reduce the friction by using a lube then you have LESS radial stress so you torque to a LOWER overall level to achieve the SAME longitudinal stress (and, hence the SAME stretch).

ARP Moly lube has a FAR lower co-efficient of friction than does 30 wt oil hence you need LESS torque to generate the SAME stretch.


Trust me, I run ALL my race engines at the ARP head stud settings with ARP lube and have never had a problem.
Deborah Evans

Hi prop

Deborah is correct both torques give the same stretch on the studs.

The 'clip' stops the rocker shaft retaining screw moving on the standard rocker assembly.

Is your 18 thou clearance 1.5/1.25 x original tappet clearance?

You are correct to leave the 'gasket nipper' studs looser, you only need 25 lbs/ft with 30 wt oil.

Peter
peter burgess

Hey peter

Is your 18 thou clearance 1.5/1.25 x original tappet clearance?

thats correct...using .12 as the orginal tappet clearance (Am I great or what....)

No not really, I wish i was that smart .... Im a fan of keith culver of culvars corner...and he has a great artical on valve lash with Hi lift rockers on the minimania website


Thanks Deb

Great info as always

prop
Prop


The main question I have that I really need help with is .....

IS my rocker Geometery correct

Thanks guys
Prop
Prop

Prop -- Nearly all the 1.5 rocker sets I've seen have had the correct (or close to it) geometry built into them during manufacture.
If you have a close look at them the centre line of the rocker shaft will be slightly lower (closer to the head) and the adjuster screws will be slightly higher compared to std rockers so that you don't have to worry about shorter pushrods to get it all working properly Willy
WilliamRevit

Prop, neither section of the rocker has to be level, either at zero lift or at full lift, the important thing is that the roller tip is well on the valve stem throughout it's full range of movement. Adjusting push rod length is done to keep the sweep of the tip on the top of the valve stem. When you originally did your "dry" build up you should have checked the geometry using some set up springs and then ordered pushrods of the correct length to compensate for the rockers as well as any block or head machining that would affect the pushrod length. I'm sure you did that so things now should be fine. Those rocker arms do have some offset in the tips and might require some mixing and matching to make sure all of them are centered on the valves from the top looking down as is mentioned in the Minimania catalog for other than big bore engines. I'm not sure where your engine falls in relation to what they call a big bore engine.
One other thing, because many higher ratio rocker arms move the pushrod socket towards the pivot point to gain leverage ratio the push rods may be pulled to the side enough to contact the passage in the block or head, make sure they aren't rubbing anywhere. I'm sure you also checked that when you did the initial fit up as I remember you ordered special pushrods, but just a reminder.

Bill Young

Hi Prop

We like Keith Calver too :)

The arms will probably have been designed for most common fitted height of A series valves with a standard cam lobe size. as long as you haven't gone way, way out on these you will be fine. Just make sure nothing fouls eg catching rocker cover.

Peter
peter burgess

Thanks guys

I think Im okay then, I remember in various discussions that having the head and deck resurfaced can have an effect on the rocker geometery...of which I had done

Im guessing Ive got a big bore ...its .60 over, unfortantly I purchashed the push rods long befoe the build .... custom made stainless steel tubular (next size up from stock dia. wise) from "Manton Pushrods" I did redrill the block tappet holes for the bigger push rods, and counter-sunk the pushrod holes on top of the cly head and then ovaled the holes thur the cly head for any extra pushrod flex...from the looks I got plenty of space around the pushrods

The cam shaft is the swiftune Sw5-07.

well I guess Ill adjust them out and see what happens

Ill try and get some pics up, if I can get my photo program to work


Prop...Driving today, (I hope)
Prop

Prop - do you ever do anything the simple way???????

I'm sure they'll be fine - if you've not been fiddling with them already - and you should just do what you say - drive - today!

Guess I've got to apologise to you - I did think you'd not get it ready before I was over on that continent to sort out my paperwork - but, I still might be there before you REALLY get it on the road :) There ya go - you could have a wee trip up north and prove to all us nasty Europeans that you really have got it going ;)

Now go - drive - ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!
rachmacb

todays the day rach... finally off work all day

the tires will meet the asphoult

Im still trying to get everything tuned in and sorted ...so its happening


Prop
Prop

BTW rach...Let us know when your comming state side and where at?

Deb evans is also comming to the states soon, the 2 of you should team up and come togather...If your going to be out west in reno navada, I have an ol girlfriend thats huge into barrel racing in PRA rodeo...not into showing tho. You remind me alot of her...you would love meeting her.

prop
Prop

LOL - good - take photos!!!

I'm going way up north this time, doubt I'll even get across the border, I'm landing in Edmonton on 4th May as that's the quietest airport for the stupid paperwork ..., then going up further - hopefully not to have to back some horses for a friend ...... bad enough to do my own!

Cool - I've got a mare that would be awesome at barrel racing, she's real quick and spins on the sixpence - she's the one that's gonna put Arie in his place though - LAST!!!!!! We don't really do barrel racing here - people are too slow ... - cars and horses ;)

If I'd been down a bit further south - I might have dropped by, think you're only about 1600 miles from the border aren't you?! Last time I was over, I did think about taking a trip to Texas - it was only 2000 miles and I was bored ...........!

Have a great drive and hope the sun shines for ya :)
rachmacb

Prop
one thing that has totaly gone past me
Why fit the rockers now?

i mean you have gone through the whole setup with normal rockers and now you have to do it all over again?

why did you not fit them during the build?

remember next time KISS
Onno Könemann

Prop

For information...

'Big bore' relates to the 1275cc family of A series engines (ie. 1275, 1071, 970 and anything using the 1275 block - 1380, 1426 etc etc...)

The valve spacing is different between 'Big bore' and 'Small bore' type engines (848, 997, 998, 1098) which is why the rockers have to be moved around to fit small bore engines...

Cheers

JB
James Bilsland

Prop,
It has been a while... are you sure you don't need new tyres before they meet asphalt?
David "at least change the air ;-)" Lieb
David Lieb

LOL - you three are mean - I thought we didn't ask such questions coz our brains would explode ... ;)!
rachmacb

Onno, quite a few engine builders recommend using lower ratio rocker arms when breaking in a cam to avoid high cam loadings with heavy duty springs. Some even go so far as to recommend using standard springs and also changing those after the break in period. With the reduction of zinc content in engine oils these days, it's probably good insurance during the break in period and in most engines not a problem to change them out afterwards but on the A series the head bolts go through the stands and that required Prop to loosen the head, and in Prop's case if anything can go wrong it probably will! LOL
Bill Young

Rach

Edmonton Alberta? North from there? To where?
Kelvin Hawkins

LOL - ok - you've got me beat - not your far north ...!

I'm planning on spending a couple/three days going up towards High Prairie and Peace River - then heading back downwards - and across to near Lloydminster - haven't really made any set in stone plans yet though. I land, pick up a rental car - fill it up - turn the nose - and drive ..... The three places named are coz I've got friends there - and - hopefully some free accomodation ;)

Have to have a few hours in the Mall though - even I like SOME shopping ... and there's always Cinnezeos ... probably too many Timmies too ... oh heck - I'll put on weight :(
rachmacb

Hey, you've got free accommodations (and a Spridget to drive) in the Chicago area, too, Rach. When should I expect you?
David "there are multiple malls here, too" Lieb
David Lieb

Lol do any if the malls have Tim Hortons though?;)
rachmacb

Rach, we drove up around Toronto, Montreal ,and Quebec last year, only saw two Tim Horton's on the US side that I remember and those were within just a few miles of the border. Plenty of them in Canada though, almost everywhere you look. Definitely a Canadian thing! ;-)
Bill Young

Probably not the time to mention that when i changed my rockers from std to Roller....I had to go back and change the head gasket a few hundred miles later as it had been enough to disturb it.
Dean Smith ('73 RWA)

Sorry, Rach, we are stuck with Starbucks on every other corner. OTOH, I can treat you to a meal or two at Portillo's (www.portillos.com)...
David "now I'm hungry again!" Lieb
David Lieb

Lol very much but they do have the best hot chocolate in the world :)

I have to do my paperwork trip or I lose my visa, so don't actually know if I could cross border this time anyway ...
rachmacb

Then bring some with you when you come!
David Lieb

And Portillos is?????

Lol sure would be fun to drive a spridget on those long straight roads ....!!!!!!
rachmacb

And Dean mantions my second concern

with an sw5 1.5 rolers and the proper double valve springs you won't wreck your can during break in.

just an other example of Prop over thinking things
but hey it keeps us all ocupied ;)

now drive the damn thing Prop and make a vid so we'll believe it!
Onno Könemann

I gave you a url, Rach...
Anyway, Ricardo Portillo opened a hot-dog stand in a trailer 37 years ago. He now has restaurants across the Chicago area as well as a couple out in California. Most locations are effectively two restaurants in one; the Portillos side does hot-dogs, Italian beef sandwiches, burgers, etc, whilst the other side (usually Barnelli's) sells such things as rigatoni a la vodka, the best ribs in town, garbage salads, tiramisu and on and on. They specialize in taking your order as quickly as possible so that you can wait patiently at a table with friends rather than standing in line forever. Never had a bad meal at a Portillos. Interesting decor, friendly staff who obviously enjoy their jobs, good food, what's not to like?

I almost forgot to mention their cake shake! Take a slice of their awesome chocolate cake, icing and all, shove it into a milkshake glass, top off with milkshake and blend well.. the shake that eats like a meal ;-)

There is one in the town where I work and it generates higher food and beverage taxes for the village than any other establishment in town!
David "try the peasant pasta!" Lieb
David Lieb

Ah am on the iPhone and irls don't always work so will have a nose tomorrow.

Rach - going to bed to have nightmares about giant cakes in milkshakes chasing her in a spridget ...!
rachmacb

And sweet chocolate dreams to you, Rach!
David Lieb

Wow,

No street racing yet, But I sure learned alot today

1st you have to modify the feeler gauage to work right...its 2 wide and wants to foul the back undef side of the rocker...you have to cut off about 25% on each side then bend whats left at a 90 degree angle about an inch from the end...that took 4 tries doing the rule of 8 before I figured it all out got it on the 5th try and varified on the 6th try..a good use of 3 hours with going to the parts store for 2 more feeler gauges

then had to lower the tempory electric fuel pump another 6 inches below the tank line so I could get fuel to the carbs

Then the fun Part...the Evac was sucking oil into the carbs so I had to design a oil catch tank...OH BOY!!! Not so simple....
After 5 differant designs I finally got it figured out , Peiced togather the working concept of how one works effeciantly and Now almost have it installed...so another hour on the evac, then I can fine tune the dissy, and the carbs, power sand the rust off the other front brake rotor, did one the other day....do a fast check over everything...and drive tomarrow.

what I learned to make a good oil catch tank???

keep it as close to the exit port of the block, keep it high, keep as few curves out of the hoses as possiable, from the block exit port to the catch tank...use as big a hose as you can get away with...keep everything as short and compact as possiable...

Supper and off to bed
Prop
Prop

Rule of 8?
Trevor Jessie

LOL...

MMmmmm, How about rule of 9....I know its one of those billard games


Prop...8 valve corner clyinder
Prop

Breathers into a catch tank will help. Till the rings bed down a bit (fingers crossed) you have to manage the crankcase pressure or that rear seal will continue to lose oil - more so as the engine oil warms up and thins. If you look at race cars they will have 2 sometimes 3 to keep the sump pressure as close to atmospheric as possible. That's what you need to do in the short term.
F Pollock

Modify the feeler guages???
John Collinson

dear Prop

who else?

Me? I buy 'em feeler gauge shaped

C'mon Prop April now---soon be autumn
bill sdgpm

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh gads Dave - that's some half-a-cow-a-burger place ... I'd explode ...!

Thankfully my dreams were chocolate free - but - perhaps we should send some to Prop - he might feel better ;)

Rach - do ya think this is Prop playing an April fool on us all??????
rachmacb

Prop - do you feel compelled to do things in the most complicated and time consuming way possible!?

I have seen many people setting the valve clearances on racing a series engines with roller tip rockers (some good, some bad), I have done it myself many times... I have not (before today) met anyone who found it necessary to modify their feeler guages...

If their engineers are anything like you, I can see now why the US GP team failed to finish their car in time for the season start - obviously they are still trying to work out whether to make the front or the rear wheels steer on the race car chassis... The next step will clearly be to decide where the engine will go, front or back...

Please my friend, stop trying to re-invent the wheel will you? - its painful...
James Bilsland

sanding the rust of the brake discs?!
prop KISS!!!!!!

just drive and brake carfuly 2 or 3 times and they are clean

just make life easy for you self and drive the damn thing ;)
Onno Könemann

Prop - when people side measure them from the side....they meant you should slide the tip of the gauge from side to side across the roller to check the feel - not in and out where the rolling action of the roller rocker wont allow you the feel needed. You still do it from the front.

I have visions of the 90 degree bend being so you can get the guage coming in from the side between the rockers !?



Dean Smith ('73 RWA)

Onno - what is KISS? Does it mean - Prop - get in that ruddy car or we'll send a raiding party?!
rachmacb

Keep It Simple Stupid...
James Bilsland

LOL ah - very apt then!
rachmacb

and Prop has recieved the comment and explanition say 100 times....

Onno Könemann

Okay Hot shots and wise opeople...

WITHOUT modifying or molesting the shape of the feeler gauge in any way as all of you say you can, How do you slide the feeler gauge between the roller tip ... from the side NOT the front, and NOT rolling the roller tip. (rolling the roller tip is a (.05 to .015 penalty)

remember the widest gap from rocker to rocker is less then a 1/2 inch...the feeler gauge is 3 inches long and flat,,,and because of the angluar shape of the rocker you will foul the the back edge blind spot of the rocker, thus pinching/flexing the feeler. If you adjust the feeler by pulling forward or roll the tip of the roller to compensate there is a(.05 to .015) penalty to do so


Remember from the side,,,Not the front, and without disturbing the roller tip in a rolling fashion

ALL 8 of Mine are .18 dead on! Not .17, Not 19.5, BUT .18 exact

...Are yours?


Prop
Prop

Prop, roll it in then test gap by sliding sideways such that the roller doesn't roll.
Trevor Jessie

Have really not got a clue Prop - it'd be different anyway probably - so I'm NOT going out in the hail, having taken several hours to find a measuring tape - to find out for you - GET OUT AND DRIVE!!!!!!!!

Why wasn't it going yesterday again - or was it and I'm just now totally confused and lost .... I blame the chocolate nightmares ;)

ONLY 100 times Onno????

rachmacb

I have to disagree treavor...

Im definatly not an expert but I consider both keith dodd and kieth culvar to be and they are explicit that you do not push the feeler in from the front

having tried there is a measureable differance between the 2 styles....Id imagine you can do the intial 1st adjustment, but that would be about it...furthur varification would not be possiable from the front

Quote from kieth culvar of culars corner on miniamaina website....titled (Valve train - Setting valve clearances (lash)


"One other point to note is where rockers with roller tips are used, DO NOT push the feeler blades through from the front as standard. The roller tip acts like a panel roller and will draw the blade through irrespective of gap size – even if there isn’t one. The feeler blade must be wiped sideways from one side to the other."

Prop
Prop

Without wishing to take sides, Prop does have a point. If you slide the feeler in from the front, it will tend to push the rocker up thus giving a false reading. I've always tended to keep my rockers loose then tighten them down onto the feeler until it just pinches and no more.

Graeme
graeme jackson

Rach,
It isn't all that much. But I guarantee that you would not be pining for Tim Horton afterwards ;-)
David "it's almost worth living in Chicagoland for" Lieb
David Lieb

how wide are your feeler gauges Prop?

mine taper and would happily allow a small side to side motion once the rocker and gauge co-incide

You dont need much motion to feel the pinch on adjustment

(I do have a set of "far too wide to use like this" feelers the company gave me years ago but they soon reverted to tapered gauges for service vehicles)
bill sdgpm

LOL - THAT much chocolate - I wouldn't eat for at least a week ........ :)
rachmacb

I do not know this keith culvars person is, but I agree with that quote. But I still do not see why you would need to modify the feeler gauges. Roll it in, then slide in the direction such that the roller does not roll. You only need to be able to move it a fraction of an inch to feel the resistance to indicate proper gap.
Trevor Jessie



Tapered feelers would be awsome, I havent come across any from the local chain parts store....the common ones are around 1/2 to 5/8 inch wide...the reason for cutting them dowm is to maake them more narrow, so to be able to see the back edge when sliding from the side and not get the feeler pinched in that back angled blind side.

It could well be the variance from side vs front is the play in the roll pin that holds the roller tip



Its true, Over thinking the midget is an artistic hazzard I fall into quite often. For me this engine like the rest of the midget is a creative art project and not so much about building an engine in order to have a car to drive. After all Driving is not the goal, thats more of a minor side benifit, The primary objective is to build the ultimate perfect high performance midget...all else is just static noise....Except for the friendships Ive made here on the BBS...those are vary important to me.

Prop




Prop

Prop, feeler gauges in the UK would go in like this.

F Pollock

Dont worry rach,

Today has got to be the day it see's the street...but life sure is in the way, I just tossed the bearing in my electric drill about 10 minutes ago, and my back up is in the next town on a job site waiting for the customer to return from vacation. So waiting on batterys to charge for the battrey powered drill


All I got left is finish hooking up the oil catch tank, adjust the carbs and give the dissy timing another look, as david says "Change out the air in the tires...But I think Ill RE-fill them with helium this time for a few extra horse power and faster revs. afew odds and ends, and Im driving.


Prop...Black hole is now "The Rolling Hindenberg Special"...LOL
Prop

F.

JEZ!!! Thats just to freaken easy....I really hate you! and I love you at the same time!

what a freaken downer....talk about going the long route to get to the same place.

Thanks for that photo, Ill cetianly remeber that next time

If only I had known that this time yesterday.

Thanks F...your a real friend, I cant belive I didnt think of that

Prop
Prop

Btw F.

I love the rocker shaft spacers...Ive got sprngs but in the future I may have some spacers made up to replace the springs with.

Prop
Prop

Don't use spacers. They look nice but can expand and bind on the shaft increasing friction by a million percent. Keep the springs.
F Pollock

In the photo of the rockers it looks like two of the rockers are not anywhere centered on the valve stem. What can be done for that problem?
Sandy
SANDY SANDERS

F.

Thanks for the FYI...Ill put that in my notes, Springs it is.

Prop
Prop

... truely Prop you are one for whom the saying "it is better to have travelled hopefully than to arrive" is really made for!

I have to say - if it works - drive it and don't fix it 'til it stops working (or makes lots of noise ...!) Perhaps, though, there's a happy medium, but, I think not :) Being a female too, then, of course my way is the best way ;)

One is now rather wary to suggest photos or video though - coz you'll only over-analyse that too - have you ever thought of therapy - I'd do you good rates - purely coz you're so totally unique!
rachmacb

sandy,

Im betting its an optical illusion from the angle of the photo...Some of the photos I shot yesterday have the same look. but in reality are straight on

Prop
Prop

Rach,

The girl I was telling you about yesterday is a life long therpist....She assured me there is no hope for my condition...LOL.

actually the midget and work its self (house painter) are the only areas I put alot of detail, presion and accuracy into, everything else is ither wait till tomarrow, or jimmey rigged with bailing wire, and duck tape...you sould see my work truck, In fact I once had a panal van that had alot of rustted holes...So I filled with expandable spray foam (styrofoam), some super hard 20 minute exterior house spackle over the top of that, a thin layer of bondo over that then kilz primer and painted the whole truck in extrior eggshell laytex house paint...looked great from 10 feet...and lasted till I had it towed to the salvage yard 8 years later

where theres a will there is a way I say.

Prop...Mall of America is the place to shop.
Prop

LOL Prop - your ex-girlfriend seemed a gem ;) I think I would probably get to agreeing with her, but, hey, there's got to be at least a Doctorate thesis in there somewhere.......?!

Sounds like a typical redneck truck there ;)

Rach - who KNOWS Mall of America is in MINNESOTA - and supports the Wild :P
rachmacb

Finally drill charged...Back to the midget!

Gez I better hear a some tire screeching today, art is art...but even Big daddy Don garlits knew a period when he saw one.

Prop...Ca you hear me, can you hear me know?
Prop

Rach

Stay out of the WE mall its just a waste of time. But do visit a "Princess Auto" 2 in Edmonton, 1 in Grand Prairie. The farmers and DIY peoples dream store.

If you don't buy anything you must be already dead or you don't like cars or horses.



K

Kelvin Hawkins

>>> Gez I better hear a some tire screeching today, art is art...but even Big daddy Don garlits knew a period when he saw one.

So, Prop, did you hear the screeching or was this all an elaborate April Fool's prank?
David "gotta go clean out my garage now..." Lieb
David Lieb

David, I doubt if the tires did any screeching yesterday, otherwise we'd have seen a post from Prop about replacing half shafts with all that new found power! Raining today down this way, so it looks like the first outing may be delayed another day or two.
Bill Young

Acouple of photos of my rockers



Prop

Well after spending the day GRINDING out the inside of the valve cover to clear the fouling rockers and making the final fix of the oil catch tank, and fixing several other issues that wouldnt allow the steering to work. Then getting rained out at the time I wanted to pull the car out of the shop to fire up the engine...Im thinking today is the day Ill be driving the car...Im sooooo hoping all the grimlins have been captured and SHOT!!!

God willing TODAY Ill at least have a photo of me driving down the road...shortly

Wish me luck!!!

Prop

So do my lifters look good. (geometery wise)

Prop

Kelvin - how could you - now I will spend money .......:(. I had a look at the website sooooo cool I am just wondering about excess baggage levels!

Prop - stop wasting photos - they aren't of the road infront and behind you!!!!!!
rachmacb

Prop, we could tell a lot more about the geometry if one of the photos had been taken at zero lift and the other at max lift, at least then we could see where the roller was in relationship to the valve stem. A static shot without any reference doesn't really tell us anything.
Wishing you good luck to get the car running this weekend. Weather here in KC was great today, hope you had as good in Jeff City.
Bill Young

good luck and have fun
Onno Könemann

Hi Prop...good luck with it...I did mention rockers hitting cover though :)

If you don't make 500 bhp with those rockers, caps and pushrods I will be saddened.

Peter
peter burgess

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